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kdubachelo
Posted on: 2009/9/28 21:08
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Engine Oil for M111?
Dr Gan and Gang,
i saw in another topic "engine oil level low" posted on Mobil 1 information.
i wonder my M111 E200 can use Mobil 1?
i asked mechanic before and they said old engine better dont use fully synthetic. is it true?
if true how many KM should Mobil 1 change oil?

currently using penzoil but thinking to change to better oil.
Mabel
Posted on: 2009/9/28 22:29
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From: Shah Alam, Cyber Jaya, Sunway
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Re: Engine Oil for M111?
Quote:

kdubachelo wrote:
i asked mechanic before and they said old engine better dont use fully synthetic. is it true?


This is what I was also told...

Why waste money to go for fully synthetic oil when a semi is good enough..?


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yapso
Posted on: 2009/9/28 23:46
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Re: Engine Oil for M111?
Quote:

Mabel wrote:
Why waste money to go for fully synthetic oil when a semi is good enough..?


Besides marketing gimmicks, there must be something special in it compare with 2 types of oil. The definition of good enough is very subjective. As for me, I want the best.

Yap
Mabel
Posted on: 2009/9/29 0:05
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Re: Engine Oil for M111?
Quote:

yapso wrote:
Quote:

Mabel wrote:
Why waste money to go for fully synthetic oil when a semi is good enough..?


Besides marketing gimmicks, there must be something special in it compare with 2 types of oil. The definition of good enough is very subjective. As for me, I want the best.

Yap


Can't argue with that...


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Gan
Posted on: 2009/9/29 0:27
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Re: Engine Oil for M111?
Quote:

kdubachelo wrote:
Dr Gan and Gang,
i saw in another topic "engine oil level low" posted on Mobil 1 information.
i wonder my M111 E200 can use Mobil 1?
i asked mechanic before and they said old engine better dont use fully synthetic. is it true?
if true how many KM should Mobil 1 change oil?

currently using penzoil but thinking to change to better oil.


Had Post In The forum also if I Not Mistaken ... Same Topic leh

1st ... Why Not ??
2nd ... M/Benz Engine leh ....!!!
3rd ... M111 this engine Over the Year of Prodution until Now ...
~ ~ I never get a Complaint On Engine Oil Consumption
~ ~ only in the few cases on the Valve Seal damaged !!!

Still A Lot Of People don't understand about The Synthetic Oil ....
The Molecule is fine and equal
it make the system smooth lubrication
better engine oil cooling due to the fine molecule
last longer ... stand for high temperature ...

OK lah assume that the cooking oil you fry for goreng pisang ....
the 1st Goreng pisang you fried and good taste RIGHT ?
How about The last Goreng Pisang ???
tak sedap kan !!!
instead of taste ... the colour also change RIGHT ??
Because the Oil Quality had Drop due to the temperature HEATED-up ...

Same Thing to The Engine OIL ...
which type the ENGINE OIL Do You Prefer Now ??

High Temperature Resistance or General Oil Keep Changing ????

Sure You Get The Advantage ... On Selectting Fully Synthetic
Better Protection .. Extra Mileage .. LOW Maintenance repairing Cost .. etc
why must you listen to the Mechanic ???
Does He Know About This ??

The Best Engine Oil was 'TOHO' Engine Oil
Do You Heard About This ...??
Quite some time in the market already ...
I know This at year 2005 in Malaysia ... JAPAN product !!

It was really Good ...
The Price Also Very Good ...
Estimated cost Now RM 350 - RM 400 per liter
Recomanded Oil Change Every 100,000 KM !!!

It Is Too Expensive To Try ...
in the Case ... How .. If The Engine Oil Is Leak ??
is a waste .... !.!.!.!.....

I cook the Engine oil ....
Do You ??

Try it yourself ..... you Will get A 'SUPER' surprised .!.!.!.!.

try it out ... apply a very thin layer on a plate 'stainless steel'
and apply heat underneath the plate ...(SWITCH ON DAPUR lah)
you will see the different on SYNTHETIC oil and GENERAL / SEMI SYNTHETIC oil ..... !!!


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cm_luq
Posted on: 2009/9/29 12:30
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Benz Model: w203, w123, w126
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Re: Engine Oil for M111?
saya punya c200k dulu pakai enjin m111 tak silap saya lah. enjin merah kan?

pakai fully sintetik

satu of cos lah bagus.

dua, tukar minyak itam setiap 10,000 km lah

cuba kita kira lagi untung, tak yah selalu g workshop

saya pakai shell fully sintetik,

kalau pakai semi

2 botol semi sintetik = rm200 (kena beli dua pasal tak silap m111 punya enjin 6 liter minyak itam)
oil filter = rm20
upah = rm 30
masa= 1 jam
semua rm250 setiap 5000 km
rm500 setiap 10,000 km
dan 2 jam masa.

kalau amik fully sintetik

2 botol fully sintetik = rm400
oil filter= 20
upah rm30
masa = 1 jam
so semua ialah rm450 untuk 10,000 km
siap jimat sejam lagi masa. (masa itu nyawa!)

saya tak taulah mana brand minyak fully sintetik yg bagus.

tapi saya tau lagi bagus dari semi sintetik

tapi kalau dah mahaguru gan kata minyak toho. tukarlah minyak toho, tukar setiap 100,000 km. mmg dekat duan tahun baru jumpa workshop balik. mmg jimat lah

kalau guna semi sintetik

100,000 / 5000 = 20
so rm250 * 20 = rm5000.

kalau guna fully sintetik r

100,000 / 10,000 = 10
so rm450 * 10 = rm4500

banyak tu,

banding dengan minyak toho enjik gan

rm 400 satu liter * 6 liter = rm2400
oil filter = rm30
labor = rm30

so... setiap 100,000 cuma rm 2460 je

banyak jimat for long run... tapi sapa ada wang yang banyak macam tu untuk sekali servis kan. haha.

betul x mr gan
duboisi
Posted on: 2009/9/29 14:57
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From: PJ
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Benz Model: W204 C230
Message:
Re: Engine Oil for M111?
Merz has specification standard for engine oil, i.e.: 229.3, 229.5, etc. for petro engines and 229.31. 229.51, etc. for diesel engines.

Now a day we look at engine oil more than just the viscosity, i.e.: 5W-30. We have to look at the API and ACEA specifications as well. If makan minyak sikit, increase the viscosity, i.e.: 5W-40 or 10W-40. But make sure same Merz specification. API and ACEA will describe the quality of engine oil like how long it can maintain its quality.

Follow lah the specified standard for your Merz. If you practice oil change interval of 10k km or more, make sure you use the Merz fleece filter.

M111 requires 229.3. Google with Mercedes 229.3 and you should get the list of engine oil that meet this specification. If want the best, go for 229.5 which is the latest Merz standard.

References examples:
http://www.opieoils.co.uk/c-716-mercedes-engine-oil.aspx
http://chicagomercedesrepair.wordpress.com/


yapso
Posted on: 2009/9/29 16:10
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Benz Model: W124
Message:
Re: Engine Oil for M111?
Quote:

cm_luq wrote:

banding dengan minyak toho enjik gan

rm 400 satu liter * 6 liter = rm2400
oil filter = rm30
labor = rm30

so... setiap 100,000 cuma rm 2460 je

banyak jimat for long run... tapi sapa ada wang yang banyak macam tu untuk sekali servis kan. haha.

betul x mr gan


Your calculation is correct for semi and fully synthetic oil. In fact, you save more on fully synthetic on other thing such as better protection, better FC, cleaner engine etc...

As for engine oil TOHO, seems very expensive. I don't want to let the oil in the engine for loooooog time. 100,000km average 5 years. This could be good for taxi as they travel a lot but most of the taxi driver I talked to they just use the normal mineral oil. Why? Cost factor or something else?

Even though the engine oil can last that long but the oil filter should change for every 10,000km, right?

Yap
19owner
Posted on: 2009/9/29 16:39
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From: Kuala Lumpur
Posts: 4847
Benz Model: W201 and Others
Message:
Re: Engine Oil for M111?
all cars can use fully synthetic engine oils.

just change the engine oil as recommended by the manufacturer and the engine will be fine...it is not good to go over the recommended mileage and period.

mobil 1 is one of the best engine oil. i've used it back when it was selling at rm90 per 4 litre pack...i won't hesitate to use it again.
kdubachelo
Posted on: 2009/9/29 21:24
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From: Penang
Posts: 283
Benz Model: E200,E280,E230
Message:
Re: Engine Oil for M111?
SO Conclusion, DR Gan.

I can use Mobil 1 with 10000km oil interval?
any viscosity i need to choose, i never use mobil 1 before, koko ada grade.
oil filter no need to change during 5000km?
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