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ltw
Posted on: 2009/9/6 0:45
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Joined: 2009/9/6
From: Kuala Lumpur
Posts: 100
Benz Model: W210 E240 V6 y2000
Message:
Engine Oil Level Low
Hi all,

I'm a new user here. I've one enquiry regarding engine oil.

I just got hold of my W210 E240 2000/2004 (2.4 Litre V6) about 3 months ago. Car condition is good. Service the car (change engine oil and gearbox oil) the moment after I purchased it.

Have been driving the car for long distance journey quite frequently (Penang-KL, Penang-JB). During one of my journey, one malfunction alarm on 'Check Engine Oil Level' triggered in the instrument cluster. Use the trip computer function to check the engine oil level and was instructed to add 1.5 Litre of engine oil. Tried to verify with the dip stick and the level was at a lower side. The alarm disappeared the moment I top up some engine oil.

As far as I know, there is no blue smoke coming out from the exhaust whenever I rev my engine (to verify my car is not consuming engine oil).

I'v checked this problem with the workshop and was told it is quite common for this model, if travel for long journey and at high speed.

Would like to check with you guys here if anyone of you have experienced this problem before. Not sure whether is it something to do with the type of engine oil I use? I'm using Shell Helix Semi-Synthetic (10/40W).

Please advice. Thanks.
tony
Posted on: 2009/9/6 1:26
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Joined: 2006/5/23
From: Johor Bahru, Malaysia
Posts: 992
Benz Model: 97' W140 S320L
Message:
Re: Engine Oil Level Low
Welcome to MyBenz Bro

I'm sure there's plenty of MyBenzers currently driving the same model as yours. One example is our Bro Zaidi aka Azr (our JB Taikoh), he has one...or our Mercedes Specialist from JB, Uncle Gan might be able to assist you. Hang in there...he'll show up in no time.

Meanwhile...enjoy your time here. Plenty of OTAIs, SIFUs, MASTERs, GURUs, PROFs here in MyBenz. Youll be amazed!


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efairuz
Posted on: 2009/9/6 1:48
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Joined: 2008/3/30
From: Ipoh, Perak Darul Ridzuan
Posts: 203
Benz Model: W124 260E
Message:
Re: Engine Oil Level Low
this is my opinion..

You always travelling and maybe always get sick when the warning lamp appear.. What you must try to do is to check the oil cap on top of your engine. It might be the rubber getting thin day by day by travelling a lot. The oil also can come out thru the loose rubber. If there are no leak, then you refer to OTAI to check it again.

My opinion is the simple things you can do before you spend more money on other parts damage.

Try!!!


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19owner
Posted on: 2009/9/6 2:03
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Joined: 2008/5/16
From: Kuala Lumpur
Posts: 4847
Benz Model: W201 and Others
Message:
Re: Engine Oil Level Low
1.5 liters is quite a lot...you did refill approximately that much oil?

well, i'd think that barring any leaks, your mechanic may have initially not filled the engine oil up to the brink thus the low engine oil level warning was triggered after a while. hence, re-topping up is required.

sometimes, different mechanics have different ways of filling up the engine oil during each change. some like to fill up slightly lower then the full/maximum mark and then top up when required. so, it is encouraged that we do our own checking periodically.
ltw
Posted on: 2009/9/6 2:18
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Joined: 2009/9/6
From: Kuala Lumpur
Posts: 100
Benz Model: W210 E240 V6 y2000
Message:
Re: Engine Oil Level Low
efairuz, I'll try to check on the filler cap.

19owner, The engine oil level was normal previously. I've checked it. Furthermoe, no leakage anywhere, everything was fine.

But after travelled around 5000 km, the problem appeared. The instruction said 'Add 1.5 litre of engine oil', but I only added 1 litre.

I did my second service (8000km service) few weeks ago. Still monitoring...
19owner
Posted on: 2009/9/6 2:36
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Joined: 2008/5/16
From: Kuala Lumpur
Posts: 4847
Benz Model: W201 and Others
Message:
Re: Engine Oil Level Low
well, it is known that the 5w or 0w engine oil does "evaporate" over time but 10w is a bit unusual for your kind of engine. how fast did you do on the expressway??

i don't think there's any problem. however, keep monitoring and keep us informed.

by the way, selamat datang...
Gan
Posted on: 2009/9/6 17:38
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Joined: 2008/12/5
From: Johor Bahru, Johor, Malaysia.
Posts: 1772
Benz Model: W202 , W204 . E90
Message:
Re: Engine Oil Level Low
Quote:

ltw wrote:
Hi all,

I'm a new user here. I've one enquiry regarding engine oil.

I just got hold of my W210 E240 2000/2004 (2.4 Litre V6) about 3 months ago. Car condition is good. Service the car (change engine oil and gearbox oil) the moment after I purchased it.

Have been driving the car for long distance journey quite frequently (Penang-KL, Penang-JB). During one of my journey, one malfunction alarm on 'Check Engine Oil Level' triggered in the instrument cluster. Use the trip computer function to check the engine oil level and was instructed to add 1.5 Litre of engine oil. Tried to verify with the dip stick and the level was at a lower side. The alarm disappeared the moment I top up some engine oil.

As far as I know, there is no blue smoke coming out from the exhaust whenever I rev my engine (to verify my car is not consuming engine oil).

I'v checked this problem with the workshop and was told it is quite common for this model, if travel for long journey and at high speed.

Would like to check with you guys here if anyone of you have experienced this problem before. Not sure whether is it something to do with the type of engine oil I use? I'm using Shell Helix Semi-Synthetic (10/40W).

Please advice. Thanks.


Keep Monitorring ...
Check Engine Oil Level Everyday
(In The Morning Before Start The Engine) ...

1st ... Inspect The Engine For Any External Leakages
......... If Leak ... repair it to stop the leaks
......... but 1.5 liters is too much
......... if that is a leak of 1.5 liters
......... Sure Your Engine Lower Compartment Is Wet

2nd ... The Engine May Consume Some Engine Oil
......... Due To High Speed Driving !!!
......... But A Very Little !!!!

3rd ... If You Can See The Blue-White Smoke When You Rev The Engine
......... It Is seriously consume !!!!
......... Check The Exhaust Pipe Carbon Deposit with your finger
......... Does It Black In Colour and wet (Carbon Deposit)???
if YES .... indicate Your Engine Is Consumming Engine Oil !!!

If Your Engine Is Consumming Engine Oil ...
For M/Benz M112 v6 Engine
Normally Is Due To Piston Ring JAMMED !!!!
or Valve Seal Damaged !!!!

PISTON RING JAMMED at Beginning Stage
.... You may Clean the Piston Ring carbon deposit
with treatment like Engine Flush BEFORE engine oil change
To Clean Up The Carbon Surrounding The Piston Rings !!!

VALVE SEAL DAMAGED
.... You have NO CHOICE to remove the engine COMPLETELY
for top overhaulling .... replace all valve seal

For Safe and SAVE .. .. Replace The Piston Ring Set and Engine Decarbonize As well !!!

MOSTLY THE CHANCES FOR PISTON RING PROBLEM IS VERY-VERY HIGH !!!


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No 8 , Jalan Permas 9/2 ,
Bandar Baru Permas Jaya ,
81750 Masai , JOHOR .
(T) 07-3822 322 (F) 07-3866 502
(E) ganchinleong@yahoo.com
GAN CHIN LEONG
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ltw
Posted on: 2009/9/6 18:57
Just can't stay away
Joined: 2009/9/6
From: Kuala Lumpur
Posts: 100
Benz Model: W210 E240 V6 y2000
Message:
Re: Engine Oil Level Low
Quote:

Gan wrote:
Quote:

ltw wrote:
Hi all,

I'm a new user here. I've one enquiry regarding engine oil.

I just got hold of my W210 E240 2000/2004 (2.4 Litre V6) about 3 months ago. Car condition is good. Service the car (change engine oil and gearbox oil) the moment after I purchased it.

Have been driving the car for long distance journey quite frequently (Penang-KL, Penang-JB). During one of my journey, one malfunction alarm on 'Check Engine Oil Level' triggered in the instrument cluster. Use the trip computer function to check the engine oil level and was instructed to add 1.5 Litre of engine oil. Tried to verify with the dip stick and the level was at a lower side. The alarm disappeared the moment I top up some engine oil.

As far as I know, there is no blue smoke coming out from the exhaust whenever I rev my engine (to verify my car is not consuming engine oil).

I'v checked this problem with the workshop and was told it is quite common for this model, if travel for long journey and at high speed.

Would like to check with you guys here if anyone of you have experienced this problem before. Not sure whether is it something to do with the type of engine oil I use? I'm using Shell Helix Semi-Synthetic (10/40W).

Please advice. Thanks.


Keep Monitorring ...
Check Engine Oil Level Everyday
(In The Morning Before Start The Engine) ...

1st ... Inspect The Engine For Any External Leakages
......... If Leak ... repair it to stop the leaks
......... but 1.5 liters is too much
......... if that is a leak of 1.5 liters
......... Sure Your Engine Lower Compartment Is Wet

2nd ... The Engine May Consume Some Engine Oil
......... Due To High Speed Driving !!!
......... But A Very Little !!!!

3rd ... If You Can See The Blue-White Smoke When You Rev The Engine
......... It Is seriously consume !!!!
......... Check The Exhaust Pipe Carbon Deposit with your finger
......... Does It Black In Colour and wet (Carbon Deposit)???
if YES .... indicate Your Engine Is Consumming Engine Oil !!!

If Your Engine Is Consumming Engine Oil ...
For M/Benz M112 v6 Engine
Normally Is Due To Piston Ring JAMMED !!!!
or Valve Seal Damaged !!!!

PISTON RING JAMMED at Beginning Stage
.... You may Clean the Piston Ring carbon deposit
with treatment like Engine Flush BEFORE engine oil change
To Clean Up The Carbon Surrounding The Piston Rings !!!

VALVE SEAL DAMAGED
.... You have NO CHOICE to remove the engine COMPLETELY
for top overhaulling .... replace all valve seal

For Safe and SAVE .. .. Replace The Piston Ring Set and Engine Decarbonize As well !!!

MOSTLY THE CHANCES FOR PISTON RING PROBLEM IS VERY-VERY HIGH !!!



Hi Gan,

Thanks for the valuable advice. Below is my comments:

1st: Engine lower compartment is dry at all time & no sign of external leakage.

2nd: I admit that I used to drive at higher speed previously. Maintaining above 150 km/h at all times.

3rd: No blue-white smoke from exhaust when revving the pedal. Exhaust pipe is dry and clean (no sign of black carbon deposit).

By the way, will piston ring jammed and valve seal damaged will cause the blue-smoke coming out from exhaust? But still believe that the engine is healthy.

However, will check the level frequently from now on. Currently the level is in the middle of MAX & MIN (since just after servicing and mileage around 2k km from last service). Besides that, will reduce my speed when on highway just to verify. Thanks a lot!
Gan
Posted on: 2009/9/6 20:50
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Joined: 2008/12/5
From: Johor Bahru, Johor, Malaysia.
Posts: 1772
Benz Model: W202 , W204 . E90
Message:
Re: Engine Oil Level Low
Quote:

ltw wrote:
1st: Engine lower compartment is dry at all time & no sign of external leakage.

This Is Good ... NO PROBLEM !!!!

Quote:

ltw wrote:
2nd: I admit that I used to drive at higher speed previously. Maintaining above 150 km/h at all times.

This Is Possible Cause The Problem !!!!

Quote:

ltw wrote:
3rd: No blue-white smoke from exhaust when revving the pedal. Exhaust pipe is dry and clean (no sign of black carbon deposit).

This Is Good ... NO PROBLEM !!!!

Quote:

ltw wrote:
By the way, will piston ring jammed and valve seal damaged will cause the blue-smoke coming out from exhaust? But still believe that the engine is healthy.

YES ... The Damaged Piston Rings (JAMMED) and The Damaged Valve Seal
Can Cause Engine Oil .. "INTERNAL" .. Leak Into The Combustion Chamber

The Engine Oil Need A Very High Temperature To Burnt Off
And Produce A Carbon In The Cylinder and The Exhaust System
At The Same Time ..
Engine Oil Can Produce A Blue-white Smoke When Burnning
where we can obviously see at the exhaust outlet

But Your is DRY !!!
Indicate This Is Good ... NO PROBLEM !!!!


Quote:

ltw wrote:
However, will check the level frequently from now on. Currently the level is in the middle of MAX & MIN (since just after servicing and mileage around 2k km from last service). Besides that, will reduce my speed when on highway just to verify. Thanks a lot!


This Is A Good Practice ... To Check Engine Oil Level Regularly

As Long As The Engine Oil Level
Is between The MIN and MAX level
IT WAS A SAFE OPERATION LEVEL !!!!



By The Way, I Understand You Are Using Shell Helix Semi-Synthetic (10/40W).I Don't Have Any Comment With Shell Helix
BUT Semi-Synthetic is not recommended
for high speed usages ...

Why Don't You Try With Fully-Synthetic Like Mobil 1 ??


1st ... Engine Oil Operation Temperature Was Too High At High Speed Driving !!
2nd ... Semi-Syn Engine Oil May Have Evaperation Problem (reduced)
At A Contant High Speed / High temperature operation !!!



That is 10 Reasons To Rely On Mobil One


1) UNSURPASSED ENGINE PROTECTION

. A proprieatry, high temperature additive system that offers unparalleled engine protection.
. Keeps your engine in virtually the same condition as new.
. Provides protection even when the engine is under heavy stress, such as pulling trailers and carrying full load.


2) SUPERIOR RESISTANCE OF HIGH TEMPERATURE
. High temperature can oxidize lubricants, causing oil to thicken making it harder to pump around the engine,
thereby increasing engine wear and decreasing engine efficiency.
. Mobil 1's robust antioxidant system provides better resistance than conventional oils, even up to 200'c.

3) GREAT LOW-TEMPERATURE PERFORMANCE

. When the engine is switched on, conventional oils take some time to circulate,
allow friction between unlubricated parts to cause wear.
. In consrast, Mobil 1 pumps quickly and circulates easily even down to -50'c, protecting all the moving parts in the engine.


4) EXCEPTIONAL CLEANING POWER

. Mobil 1 contains a uniquely balanced additive system for outstanding protection against deposits and sludge for a cleaner engine.
. In laboratory test, they switched an American vehicle to European vehicle, which had been running with convertional mineral oil to Mobil 1. Following 14,000 miles of driving with Mobil 1 at recommended oil drain intervals, the vehicle returned to near showroom levels of cleaniliness.

5) LOWER OIL CONSUMPTION

. Achieves greater resistance to oil burn-off and evaporation for lower oil consumption.
. At 200,000 miles comparison test showed Mobil 1 consumption is only 1/8th of premium brand of convertional oil.

6) SURPASSES MANUFACTERERS' SPECIFICATION

. Mobil 1 exceeds standards set by carmakers, the oil industry and other industry group across the world.

7) ORIGINAL CAR BUILDERS RECOGNITION

. Mobil 1 is chosen by more engine buildersthan any other oil brand in the world.
. Eg. Mobil 1 is the factory fill for cars like Porsche, Mercedes-AMG, Mitsubishi Evolution, Nissan GT-R, Holden Special Vehicle, Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren, Chevrolet Corvette and Dodge Viper.

8) INCREASE ENGINE LIFE

. Increases the life of engines, even those in older vehicles or with high mileage.
. Powerful cleaning-agents keep piston rings clean and prevent them from sticking, to help maintain engine efficiency.
Note : Mobil 1 cannot correct an existing engine problem.

9) PROVEN PERFORMANCE

. Mobil 1 technology has passed high-dtress tests and endurance trials of up to 0.99 million miles : Million miles in 1990, Drive around the world in 2003, Las Vegas taxi Cabs in 2005, Drive aroung Australia in 2006.
. In short, even with generations of Mobil 1, extensive long term car testing confirmed Mobil 1's ability to keep an engine running "like new" after as many as 1.6 Million Kilometers !

10) IMPROVED FUEL ECONOMY

. During the warm up period of a typical car journey, conventional oils are thicker and more slowly, making the engine less efficiency and more thirsty. Because Mobil 1 works much faster, the engine reaches peak operating efficiency much sooner.
. Mobil 1's robust antiovidant system resists oxidation and oil thickening better than conventional oils,resulting in lower friction and better fuel economy.

Hope The Above Informations Provided May Help You
More understanding about Engine Oil Operation
And Keep Update To Us (the forum) Where we can learn together !!


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MB Auto Garage
No 8 , Jalan Permas 9/2 ,
Bandar Baru Permas Jaya ,
81750 Masai , JOHOR .
(T) 07-3822 322 (F) 07-3866 502
(E) ganchinleong@yahoo.com
GAN CHIN LEONG
H/p : (012) 708 2660

ltw
Posted on: 2009/9/6 22:10
Just can't stay away
Joined: 2009/9/6
From: Kuala Lumpur
Posts: 100
Benz Model: W210 E240 V6 y2000
Message:
Re: Engine Oil Level Low
Gan, thanks a lot for the info. Very useful indeed. At least I'll have a peace of mind, coz previously thought of need to overhaul the engine.

I'll surely try Mobil 1 fully synthetic after this. One friend recommended Castrol Magnetec as well.

Will try to keep on monitoring and feedback to the forum if there is any updates. Will be extra careful after this, no more 180 km/h when on highway (used to maintain at this speed when travel to KL & JB)

Cheers!
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