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Matjava
Posted on: 2012/6/1 15:43
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C Class V6
There are several C Class V6 variant , b it W203 & W204. i.e. C230, C240, C280, C300 OR C350, with 7g-trans, Is this worth buying one of it. rewarding for long distance & maintenance cost? Anyone has owned it. Sifr/Owner help.

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renngrun
Posted on: 2012/6/1 22:18
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Re: C Class V6
In simple terms, the more cylinder count, the smoother the engine will be.

Maintenance wise, slightly more since more parts to cater for. Consumption will be lebih sikit but negligible since the modern fours are all force-fed (SC or Turbo which will cause > FC when you're pressing on).

Performance will be about par for say a C240 against a C200K W203s since BHPs about the same BUT the 200K will have better torque due to its Supercharger. The winning point for the V6 is a waaaayyyy smoother engine that sounds like a proper Mercedes Benz should...

For the W204s C280/300/350...'nuff said. Very nice package.

Roadtax of course will be higher. But...kalau leh beli lembu..takkan nak kecoh pasal tali kut???

That's about it. Once you go Sixes and >...you'll never go back to a four...




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gerardj
Posted on: 2012/6/1 23:28
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Re: C Class V6
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renngrun wrote:


........ But...kalau leh beli lembu..takkan nak kecoh pasal tali kut???




Truer words hath never been spoken!!


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126208W
Posted on: 2012/6/2 10:47
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From: TeeTeeDeeEye KL
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Re: C Class V6
Truly, the V's are in a class of their own
in terms of smoothness, vibration and silence
when compared with a straight 4.

Having owned a straight [inline] 6 in an E36
328i and a V6 in W203 C240, the BM has better
power grunt while the MB triumphs on passive
smoothness in my humble opinion.

Yup, more expense is needed for extra sparkplugs
and engine oil but in the end its worth the extra
bucks to cruise in a V6/V8/V10/V12!


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techjack
Posted on: 2012/6/2 22:05
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Re: C Class V6
Since we are the topic of V6 engines.

I have heard stories of V6 engines being notorious for high engine oil consumption.

Most of these were related to me by some Perdana V6 owners and a couple of Merc E240 V6 and E280 V6 owners.

As i had never owned nor used a V6 vehicle before i am not able to confirm such stories.

Anybody care to share?




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renngrun
Posted on: 2012/6/3 12:23
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Re: C Class V6
Quote:

techjack wrote:
Since we are the topic of V6 engines.

I have heard stories of V6 engines being notorious for high engine oil consumption.

Most of these were related to me by some Perdana V6 owners and a couple of Merc E240 V6 and E280 V6 owners.

As i had never owned nor used a V6 vehicle before i am not able to confirm such stories.

Anybody care to share?





Depends on the design. Most high-performance engines, be it inline or Vee design will 'eat' a lil bit of engine oil. Eg: Fcar and Pcar and Lcar all states that a consumption of 0.8l/1600km is within acceptable means. Not to say that will be the case, but when you run the engines close to redline often, that is the acceptable limits.

The hi-po engines are normally designed with 'under-piston' oil-jets to cool down the pistons in very high revs. We're talking serious revs here, something like 7k-9k RPM.

Now, in a Mercedes Benz engine, save for the AMGs or SLS motors, you ain't supposed to see heavy oil consumption. The 2.6L unit of the E240 makes way less than a 100bhp/litre and I doubt they have piston cooling attributes and if so..prolly your friends are driving the car hard. The Perdana V6s are about the same. They're non-performance engines but can suffer high oil consumption if driven hard.

Then again, the design of a Vee engine has got more oil galleries and nooks and crannies as compared to the simplistic nature of an inline 4/6. Lebih banyak 'saluran' dan lubang-lubang means the fluids/oils need to get to more places than an inline 4. FWIW, a Vee engine means its got TWO heads rather than ONE in an IL4/6 engine.

The other factor is in the filling up of engine oil.
Only check the engine oil's level when *COLD.
Drain the oil. Unscrew the filter and replace.
Fill the new oil, say 7L as per spec.
Run the engine. Check the oil level. It will deffo look okay on the dipstick.
BUT
The next day, after a day's driving and letting the car rest....
Check the engine oil level via the dipstick again. It will be less than the day before.
Happens because the oils need to get to all the nooks and crannies when you drive it. Masa baru tukar minyak, the oil will drop into the sump pan and that's what you'll see. Even after starting, not much difference. But after a day's driving and the oils are already circulated properly, you MUST check again.

The other thing is...as long as the car doesn't emit blue-ish smoke when you start up or rev the engine...the car's fine....


* COLD for Wet-Sump engines, which is almost 99% of the cars out there. For Dry-Sump cars, oil level must be checked when the engine's been warmed up and on level ground.


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madrazcbr
Posted on: 2012/6/9 9:41
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Re: C Class V6
How do I know whether the car is wet-sump or dry-sump?
renngrun
Posted on: 2012/6/9 11:52
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Re: C Class V6
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madrazcbr wrote:
How do I know whether the car is wet-sump or dry-sump?


Basically, any car that does not have a Sump Pan (macam besin/takung minyak bawah enjin block) is a DRY SUMP.

Dry sumping is normally used for ultra high performance/Race engines that wants to :

1.Lower the engine block's height, thus better CoG.

2.Ensures a constant supply of lubricant/oil ant ANY given situations.

In Dry Sump engines, there will be a separate oil resrvoir with a high performance pump to supply the oils to every nook and cranny of the engine. That is teh reason why you gotta check the oil when the engine is WARM and on LEVEL ground.

Wet sump...tarak. The oil is basically in the sump pan and there's a pump that send the oil up to the engien...and the oil in the sump gets sloshed by the crankshaft/bathing the crank etc....

Reason racing cars have the Dry Sump as well is because in high G cornerings, on a wet sump engine, there will be a split second time where the oil in the pan is NOT there and the oil pump can't send any oil....!! What happens next will be catastrophic since when there's no oil...hanyut ler itu pistons and crank !!

In Dry Sump..no problems since the oils will forever be pumped as per the engine revs...lagi kuat revs..lagi baiiiik punye pumnping......

Most cars no need for Dry Sumping. More expensive to produce and more parts.

If you own stock cars with wet sump and want to go racing suka-suka....you gotta invest in 'Baffled Sump Pan', yaa'ni ada macam sirip dalam pan tuh that will hold the oil from simple sliding side to side in hard cornerings. Kalau tak, baik opunye hayun corner...walaupun 0.01 saat minyak tade...7000RPM...itu enjin boleh kena 'oil starvation' and er....piston/cylinder calar. Buat banyak round..itu enjin jalan daaa...

Same as in Fuel Tanks. Race cars have 'baffled fuel tanks' so that masa time baiiik punye cornerings, there will always be some fuel for the fuel pump to suck. Without baffling, fuel gets to the other side and for a split second, you'll be outta power..and may lose the race....

Motorcycles have no need for Dry Sumping except for the MotoGP/SBK ones lah.....pasal engine's smallish and the pan is small as well. The Oil Pump can take care of the oil needs easy.

Examples of Dry Sump cars : MBZ SLR and the SLS GT3. ALL Ferraris except the California and 308GTBi 1980-81 (US market). ALL Porsches until '97 Boxster and 996 non-GT series. The 997 and 987 Boxsters/Cayman uses a hybrid half dry/wet that they call Integrated Sump. All GT2/3/Turbo models uses the Metzger Dry Sumper. ALL Lamborghinis. In fact ALL Supercars you can think about.
Note : Current Maserati models use the F430 engine , detuned and with a WET SUMP.



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gerardj
Posted on: 2012/6/9 12:20
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Benz Model: C107 380 SLC
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Re: C Class V6
Aircraft fuel tanks are baffled for the same reason - to prevent excessive sloshing and ensure positive feed to the fuel pumps.

Great explanation, Kunjiwan!


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madrazcbr
Posted on: 2012/6/10 22:01
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Re: C Class V6
THANKS RG ...
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