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empire
Posted on: 2012/4/6 16:27
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W210- My 1st impression
I was looking to buy a W210. I tried 5 units....3 units E230 and 2 units E200. All 5 speed. All in good condition.

But I have to say that I was very disappointed with this model. The feeling I got when driving it is that it is that it lacks the solid German ride well known in the W123, w124 and W126.

The doors were also very light...just like Perdana.

I thought there must be something wrong when I tested the 1st unit...so I tried the other 4 cars. Sigh....still the same.

No offense to you W210 owners meant. I am merely sharing my impression about this model.

Guess it's back to the good old W124 for me now.
manzek
Posted on: 2012/4/6 19:37
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Re: W210- My 1st impression
Fair enough. Some like mercs to be solid, tough, and that classic continental feel. I on the other hand, like the nimbleness of the current crop of cars, especially the performance aspect of it. Modern cars will feel light, try out most new models of continental cars and you will feel it.

Then again, all said and done, it goes back to which car fits you most. If it ain't broken don't fix it, or don't sell it.
pakcik
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Re: W210- My 1st impression
Salam All

Agree with you bro Manzek, Pakcik own a solid W124 for a few years but after reading this article from a good man Pakcik upgrade to W210


In early 1995 Brunno Sacco was commissioned by Daimler Benz to come up with a design for the replacement of the W124 range and the result was unveiled to the motoring world in the fall of 1995, and it was the W210 series or better known as the E-Class. The W210 E-Class heralded a brand new design expression for the legendary Mercedes front look, a design that would later be the duplicate of other automobile manufacturers the world over; Jaguar, Toyota with their Lexus badge, GM and even the Koreans too went that way with the unmentionable KIA Amanti. It was a sweeping change in design fundamentals and automotive design concepts from any other previous Mercedes models of before; it was a design that would make the W210 the biggest seller in Mercedes Benz production history to date.

The mechanicals of the earliest 1995/1996 model W210 E230-Class was pretty much a carry over of the previous and final incarnation of the W124 model. In fact, the 4-speed automatic transmission and wiring was sourced directly from the previous and last of the W124 generation E-Class, but the engine even though sounding familiar, it was totally all new. The all-new W210 series E-Class Mercedes-Benz that arrived in January of 1996 came with a US$2 billion production budget account. Benefits included lighter construction, improved fuel efficiency, better safety levels and a boost in cabin space and comfort but much of this budget also went into slashing costs with newer assembly facilities, machines, method developments and also towards newer parts that have multiple usage roles. Mercedes Benz was spending money upgrading their assembly plants worldwide in order to cut cost and in keeping up with the Swedish Olafs and Joneses “Greener Ways” for all future models beginning with the W210 (like the problematic water based paint).

By early 1996 however, Mercedes Benz had began upgrading their W210 with newer mechanicals and parts. Major change was the transmission to include the newer 722.6, 5 speed automatic that first saw service in the W140 of 1994. Mercedes Benz claimed then that the transmission was a “sealed for life” design with zero maintenance. But by 1999 Mercedes Benz Service had in fact recommended regular normal oil change, and seal inspections. A 5 speed manual also became available by this time. A request by the fleet operators (mainly taxis in the EU running the CDi engines) that Mercedes had complied with and by 2000 a sportier 6 speed manual became available. In later models you get to choose the trim level between Classic Trim, Avantgarde Trim and Sport. Some W210 comes with traction control system (TCS) even as early as model year 1996.






By the new millennium as well, a newer multi-function information system was incorporated into the instrument cluster below the speedometer, and conventional wire looms were replaced by fiber-optics system with Japanese Kyocera origin. The fiber optics were also introduced for the audio/navigation/phone system applications and accessed by the steering wheel controls as well. In addition, the 5-speed automatic transmission was equipped with a tiptronic shifter. Exterior changes included a revised front with a steeper rake, restyled bumpers, external side view mirrors which incorporates turn signals, newer design side skirting and newer absorber bushing for a lowered effect and updated wheel design were also introduced, all the upgrades had bring about a sportier and yet refined character for the W210.

The Mercedes Benz E230 is equipped with the M111.970 4 cylinder 2295cc 16 Valve engine type with a ratings of 148 BHP(110 KW), 162 lb.ft (220 NM). It has a decently rated 9.5 litre /100km for city driving and 6.2 litre /100km for highway driving. Those entire figures were quoted with stock unmodified wheels and suspensions. I think that covers up the basic spec of the car.



So let’s move on to “buying a used W210 E230: What to look for”. This could be a nightmare really. No joke. When I was hunting for one recently I had made an appointment to check one out the next day and was all looking forward to it. But that night I had a dream that I was looking at the car and found out that the doors didn’t even align properly! I saw rust spot underneath the rear door trims too! Horrible! So the next day I brushed it all off as just me being plain dumb even in dreamland. But look and behold! The car I went to inspect at the dealer actually had a slightly misaligned right hand side rear door with minor rusting underneath the rain rubber seals on the door section! So look closely at what you are buying! Make sure they have M.o.T certificates and that everything checks.







I plan to make mine a project car. I have always admired those W210 E230, and when they were first launched in the 4th quarter of 1996, I could only afford a brand new Perodua then. At traffic jams around the city of KL where I had once resided, I would casually steal a glance at those imposingly fantastic W210s and imagine myself to be driving it someday too. Yes I do have admission to a W211 E200K today (click here to read that), but let me tell you this; the W210 is a far better car in looks and feel than the W211 for me! So lets roll the show here and see what to look for in buying a used W210 E230 Mercedes Benz for Malaysian users (and I believe UK and Asia too).



A properly done engine bay of a W210 E230...


The most common problem with the earlier W210 series is the automatic 5 speed transmission. Mercedeshad earlier stated at the launching of the W210 that the auto transmission is practically sealed for life and is maintenance free for life (22.3 years). But you know what? That is a stack of crap from Mercedes Benz! The transmission could only go as far as 22,000km before an oil top up and inspection is needed. Ridiculous! I am reminded to that dude Jean Claude “Baby Doc” Duvalier who proclaimed himself “President for Life” in Haiti shortly before the coup that sent him and his family fleeing all the way to Paris in 1986. No such thing universal with us human really. Mercedes really screwed up there.

You may also experience a situations when driving over a prolonged period in the hot sun while crawling in massive traffic jams around KL, your transmission would get stuck and refuse command to shift out of 1st or 2nd after the vehicle gets moving away from stationary again. Well, take heart, its not as major as you think it is (or been told it is). But unscrupulous shops may suggest you change the whole transmission anyway right? Well wrong! All you need is a simple heat deflector plate really. Similar to the Porsche 944 and 928 S4 that comes with auto transmission (both uses Mercedes sourced auto box), the W210 also suffers the same fate of extreme heat from the placement of the catalyst converter that is situated too close by the automatic torque converter and shift cable linkage that contains a solenoid inside it. When things get hot, the gear just won’t shift out of 1st or 2nd as you began moving again. When you have stop and rested the engine for a few minutes, enough time for the temperature to cool down, and things would somehow return to normal again.

If you have this problem, very firstly you should attempt a gear box oil change. You may want to change the automatic transmission oil filter as well and if there is any leaks around the rear trans-axle, it means nothing major; just some leaky oil seals most likely. Replace that first and make sure you top up with the best ATF you could buy with your cash. Then if the problem still persist, it would mean that you have heat shield issue, and so all you need to do is fit a good heat deflector there. Just try that first and see. If it still jerks, that means your transmission is shot and you really need a rebuilt/recondition unit as replacement. That would be around RM3000 to RM5000. All depends on the shop and kind of works they perform. This transmission issue is a small problem. The required fixing is minor, just install a heat shield plate in there between the torque converter housing, the shift linkage solenoid and the catalyst converter and it should be okay. In any case, it is always best to have the auto transmission fluid (ATF) changed at a regular interval. Once a year would be good, assuming you pack in less than 22,000 km per year in the W210. Many first owner of the W210 earlier series were taken in by Mercedes bluff about the “sealed for life” transmission thing and neglected the auto gear box oil totally. By 7 years of daily uses, just imagine the condition of that auto gear box. So this is an area to be absolutely certain about before making your purchase. Get a car with full and authentic service history from new.

The second major issue with the earlier W210 E230 series is the engine oil leaks from top of the cylinder head. Just replace the gasket seal. Real easy to do, just take it to a shop. I would not recommend a DIY unless you are a trained mechanic, as the bolts and nuts requires special torque sequence on them and special equipments too.

What engine oil to use: this part requires you to check the service hitory of your Mercedes Benz automobile. If the previous owner has only been using full synthetic, then you may continue the tradition to use only full synthetic. But if the previous owner have been using semi-synthetic then might as well you keep using semi synthetic. Switching now after a good 7 years of daily use, from semi to full synthetic would do some damage inside. I strongly recommends Mobil 1 or Petronas Syntium for engine oil and as for Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATF), only use Mobil 1 ATF.

Third major issue is the original BEHR blower for the pollen filter air-condition system. If this part fails, the climate control fan will not operate fast enough to blow good cold air into the cabin and there would also be whistling sound. The problem lies with the poor design of the regulator and the blower motor itself. You may upgrade this by using the W140 S280 parts. This is cheaper and proven. The whole blower, harness and wiring would have to be replaced for the Mercedes climate control to still operate. Or just go ahead and use Nippondenso technologies in your W210. Nobody makes car air-cond like the Japanese. My Volvo runs on Nippondenso after the York compressor (Volvo OEM) screwed up some years back.

Front Sway Bar bushing wear and tear would produce slight tapping or clunking sound when driving. This is a bushing issue and should be cheap to fix. Engine mounting rubber should be replace after 100,000 km or your engine would drop lower and you can hear all funny sounds there.



Some owners have reported rust problems on the front spring perches (the top section), which hold the tops of the springs for the front suspension. The perches are spot welded to the chassis, and factory coated in weather proof mastic to stop them rusting. However in some occurrences, water gets behind the mastic causing the perches to rust and eventually fail - leading to collapse of the whole front suspension. Lift the car up and check underneath as best as you could. It’s under the mastic coat (black coat) so there is no real way of telling what’s underneath. Just hope for the best.

Rack and pinion steering has leak problem. But this is easily fix and not too costly. The whole steering would have to be taken out, dismantled and then all gasket seal replaced. It’s real easy and a straight forward job; just drive it to a shop and watch them do it while you tap away on the mobile phone games. Seriously, it is a DIY thing you know. Some say it's a sealed unit, but it's not. Talk with those who really knows their trade here.

Power window fails here and there but it’s only a minor thing with the winding mechanism but the replacement cost is not so minor if you buy new. You may want to get in touch with a good recondition spare part shop in your vicinity. That is always the better option as oppose to always buying new parts for your project car.

Unlike the W124, the classic and traditional Mercedes Benz First Aid medical box on the W210 is placed in the arm-rest of the rear seat instead of the rear speaker panels under the rear wind shield as with all other Mercedes before it. The W210 retains the single wiper mechanism of the W124, and where the W211 has abandoned for the usual twin. Stereo set is either Blaupunkt or Becker. I much prefers Becker over Blaupunkt.


Dashboard may cracks easier than in the W124, but side panels and roof liners remain solidly in place over the years. Boot space is wide and generous and you get auto dipping rear head rest just like in the older W124.

If you have the oblong key fob with flip out key for the car, then take advance knowledge on how to handle remote door unlocking feature. Sometimes when you press the unlock doors/alarm disarm switch on it - nothing happens but the signal indicators had already indicated a signal response. But you see the red LED lights blinking at the rear view mirror and the two motion sensors on the lower side of the dashboard (both left and right). In such a case, you open the hood and locate the override key near the alarm box on upper right side of engine bay. This is just a temporary fix to disable the alarm siren. Then if the immobilizer still has not lock your ignition, just drive it to an alarm specialist. If yours don't seems to have that there, just call in an alarm expert. This could go on all night, all day and you need a special software to reset the code which only Mercedes Benz seems to have. The battery on all Mercedes ever since the 300E W124 has been oddly placed within the car. You'll discover it soon enough. Mercedes said this gives better weight distributions in between the axles. It's all Porsche old school for me. To disconnect the battery in such an episode of "alarm that went haywire", won't be as easy you would like it to be or have thought it to be. It is a lot more tedious and ridiculous than the average. I would not even think about going into this topic here. But just a tip; it is under the rear seat, go look for it there. There are two latches on the left and right sides of your rear seats. Undo those and lift up the bottom part of the seat out. You can only use sealed type battery for the car. Funny things would happen when you change the battery on the W210. In my Owner's Manual, it was stated that key should be in the ignition at the "O" position.

But that has got to be the stupidest thing I have ever come across as you DO NOT leave your keys in ignition when changing a battery. Also some may tell you that before disconnecting the battery unit, plug in a cigarette lighter (not the one that comes with the car, but the type with cords) or even to just plug in a 12V mobile phone charger (without the phone) into the socket first. That way you would not lose seat memory settings, radio settings and other electronic settings you may have with your car. I have not tried that yet, but never leave your keys in ignition when changing the battery. Then the alarm issue, it is really better to just rip out the original MB unit and fixed in an aftermarket brand with newer security features and parameters, and with less temperament.

Driving the W210 feels slightly lowered than when you are in the W211, the dash and frontal view in the W210 feels wider than in the W211. I think that it has got to do with the dashboard design of both cars. Handling wise, the W211 beats the W210 by far but then again, the W210 has more Mercedes feels and value in it than the W211 does. You seriously do not need Kompressor power. You just seriously don’t. In an average drive in the W211 E200K I hardly stomp enough for the Kompressor to seriously play. I think that the Kompressor is good to have, but even if you don’t, you simply won’t miss much anyway. The W210 was the last Mercedes E class series before Daimler Chrysler Motor (DCM) came into being. The W210 E230 exudes style, practicality, ease of maintenance, comfort, economy and safety all bundled into a unique “Sacco” designed Mercedes Benz E230. NCAP rating is 4 stars.

Some early model year versions of the W210 displayed body rust, notably on European-sold cars. Rust would sometimes appear spontaneously on panels such as doors and roofs on cars less than a year old.Mercedes-Benz has been criticized for not officially acknowledging this problem. This was due to problems introducing water based paint technology. I think that by the introduction of the W210 models,Mercedes Benz were already well into cost cutting and expenditure reduction exercise. So don’t expect the W210 to be as well put together as the W124. But the W210 does drives 10 times better than the W124.



You may think that the W210 has some serious transmission problem. But it is not carved in stone, and fixing it is easy and if you have overshot that line already, well… fixing (replacing) it is still worth it! I say go ahead and buy the W210 if you have the dough. Then get some parts fixed slowly as your budget permits. Pour TLC into it and it shall reward you and your family with solid, dependable and enjoyable MercedesBenz motoring. Don’t worry about the gear box and some oil leaks. What’s a pirate without a few scars right? JUST DO IT!




Image updated on 11/02/12. Not my car anymore, but you see what could be achieved with TLC?



Mercedes Benz W210 E230 is by far better than the W211 in my book. The front lights are all that’s needed to convince me. I say just buy it brother. Transform yourself! Go ahead, just do it old chap. Have a safe and blessed W210 motoring all and thank you for reading. Have a nice day folks.










P.S: CLICK HERE and HERE for a free RAR file format download for a Mercedes Benz W210 Service Manual.





The First E-Class series Type 219/220.




Update:

Recently a friend contacted me regarding a Mercedes W210 E230 1997 that was put on sale in Kuala Lumpur and subsequently advertised as a "1997 W210 Mercedes E230 Kompressor". Mercedes did made the W210 E230 Kompressor in 1997, but I am not entirely convinced that any was made in Right Hand Drive for COMECON (Commonwealth Countries). I am certain that Mercedes did sell the E200 W210Kompressor with the M111.957 engine type with 2.0 litres 16 Valve and 161 BHP/170lb.ft. The car was sold plenty in Right Hand Drive with the designation of E200K (Kompressor). However do take note that in 1997Mercedes does indeed marketed a W210 “E230 Kompressor” model that came with a sportier tuned M111.947 engine type with 2.0 litres 16 Valve and 190 BHP/207lb.ft. But like what I have stated earlier, I am not so sure it ever was sold in Right Hand Drive. It was tagged by Mercedes as an E230 Kompressor but it is in fact a 2.0 litre unit. It is always a safe practice before buying such oddity, to make sure you check with Mercedes Benz AG for proper engine type/body designation and for a full service history. I am more incline to believe that the car may be a stock E230 W210 that was implanted with the W202 C230Kompressor engine. With the demise of Cycle&Carriage Malaysia Mercedes Benz franchise some years back, a lot of histories may have gone lost. But perhaps maybe Daimler Chrysler Malaysia may still have the records. If its gray import on AP, you may check online with Mercedes Benz AG website. It’s in German language, and if you don't speak German you may translate the site and then write to them for more clarifications. If your engine and body design numbers do not match, it may means that the car has been fitted with another engine and you would never get standard rates at the insurance. Make sure it has been approved by your local chapter of JPJ/DMV.
Mabel
Posted on: 2012/4/6 21:31
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Re: W210- My 1st impression
Another great article pakcik !

There is a small correction regarding the 722.6...

The 722.6, 5 speed automatic only came in the later part of 1996 for W140. the earlier 1996 model came with 722.5, 5 speed. In 1994, the W140 were still using the 722.4, 4 speed automatic...


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Mabel
Posted on: 2012/4/6 21:35
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Re: W210- My 1st impression
Let have a look at the pinnacle of both models...




From this video, the E55 was slow to launch, but you can clearly see he closes in on the E500 within short.

To my eyes it looks like the e55 finishes in 13.9 vs. 14 for the E500.

The E500 is definitely one of my dream cars...

For those that are interested in E55, there's one advertised at mudah right now at a cool RM 60,000..


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Mabel
Posted on: 2012/4/6 21:44
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Re: W210- My 1st impression
Quote:

empire wrote:
I was looking to buy a W210. I tried 5 units....3 units E230 and 2 units E200. All 5 speed. All in good condition.

But I have to say that I was very disappointed with this model. The feeling I got when driving it is that it is that it lacks the solid German ride well known in the W123, w124 and W126.

The doors were also very light...just like Perdana.

I thought there must be something wrong when I tested the 1st unit...so I tried the other 4 cars. Sigh....still the same.

No offense to you W210 owners meant. I am merely sharing my impression about this model.

Guess it's back to the good old W124 for me now.


empire,

Take all the time you need to pick which one is suitable for you...



I would like to share with you another good tips from han who also has the pleasure to own the actress...



and also the footballer



han's assessment on both models:

http://www.mybenz.org/zoopp/html/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&order=ASC&topic_id=12180&forum=30


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empire
Posted on: 2012/4/6 22:27
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Re: W210- My 1st impression
Thanks to all who responded here and gave your comments.
After viewing the thread about the differences between the W124 and W210 (thx to Tuan Mabel!)...I am now on my quest to buy a W124 Masterpiece.

Wish me luck guys!
Mabel
Posted on: 2012/4/6 22:47
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Quote:

empire wrote:
Thanks to all who responded here and gave your comments.
After viewing the thread about the differences between the W124 and W210 (thx to Tuan Mabel!)...I am now on my quest to buy a W124 Masterpiece.

Wish me luck guys!


Go for the Masterpiece brother...even Dr Gan attest this car

It's the best W124 Model...





Quote:

Gan wrote:

W124 Start production at somewhere 06'85
It was A New E Class Take Over The W123 Model

In Malaysia the CKD @ Locally Assembled Model
for the petrol Engine Are avialable in 1986 as : -

200 M102 Carburettor
230E M102 CISE fuel injection
260E M103 CISE fuel injection

somewhere at year 1990 ...
the 200 Carburettor
was Replaced by
200E M102 CISE fuel Injection

230E and 260E remand Unchange !!!

Somewhere year 1993 ...
The New Engine come out To The Market
....Multi-Valve Engine ...

M111 200E PMS fuel injection replace the 200E M102 Engine
M111 220E HFM fuel injection replace the 230E M102 Engine
M104 280E HFM fuel injection replace the 260E M103 Engine

Somewhere in year 1994
A New Body Design Come Out to The Market ...

New Facelift Body Kit ... So Call 'E' Class
Engine And the system Are Remand Unchange !!!

New Body Kit Convertion ...from
200E to E200
220E to E220
280E to E280

In the year 1995 ...
The New E Class W210 Lunching Soon

Where The balance stock of W124 about 2,000 units
was fitted with additional accessories ...
for offerring Sale Off (clear the stock)
like Electrical Seat ...
Wooden Steering Wheel ...
Roller Blind ...
Rear Window Blind ...
Walnut Interior Panelling ...
Cruise Control ... etc

Named as MASTERPIECE (last batch with additional accessories)!.!.!.!

From The Forum ... A lot of Benzers
is still confusing about the Masterpiece Version

so New Body Kit Convertion Is A 'E' Class Convertion
Not a Real MASTERPIECE !.!.!

The MASTERPIECE is consider a limitted edition ...
and it's very hard to get in the market
because most of the owner ... Do NOT want to sale it ...

It was A perfect Model For W124 ...

And Sincerely wishing to the MASTERPIECE owner...
Congratulation To Own A Real W124 Model ...

Hope You All Keep It And Well Maintain It
Once You Let It Go , It May Not Come Back To You Again !!

Sorry for NOT introduce the Diesel Model ....

For The W124, totally are more than 3,000,000 (three Millions) units
on the road around the World !!
and every 1,000,000 Units
the M/Benz Upgrade The New Body Kits ...



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Cheers/Mabel

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Mabel
Posted on: 2012/4/6 22:48
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From: Shah Alam, Cyber Jaya
Posts: 18999
Benz Model: W201, W124, W140
Message:
Re: W210- My 1st impression
Quote:

empire wrote:

Wish me luck guys!


I wish you good luck to your search empire...


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clarkson
Posted on: 2012/4/7 6:05
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Re: W210- My 1st impression
want heavy doors - try volvo 240 - closed like your fridge...

it's only logical manufacturer makes better cars with time, not the other way round.

i would say there's a general misconception bout older mercedes....

i) it drives like a tank cos it has heavy gas pedal...but in reality it drives like a turtle....

ii) you don't get good steering feedback (minimal vibration in steering - moving a big, round steel in the way) cos it is recirculating ball....

iii) some of w124s doors has sagged, thus requiring greater effort. believe me, it's a car manufacturer dream to make the doors shut as effortlessly as possible (hence the confusion with light). they are not light, they are just easy to close becasue they are so perfectly aligned and balanced. asked any s-class owners with vacuum assisted door closing...


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