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ayapin36
Posted on: 2012/1/27 2:26
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From: bera,pahang
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Benz Model: 190E
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memerlukan pertolonan,idea,pandangan dan cara menghilangkan knocking pada enjin 190e sy ni....
mtk tlong pd smua rakan2 & otai2 yg ade kat mybenz nie .. enjin 190e 2.0 black top 8v sy ni suka ngat knocking byk dah cara ngejas nye dia tetap nak gak berbunyi ... rimas ase nye nk bwk kete tu ... x tau dah mcm mne nak wat lg poning dah kpla ie ...
fawwazlatib
Posted on: 2012/1/27 4:36
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From: putrajaya
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Benz Model: w201
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Re: memerlukan pertolonan,idea,pandangan dan cara menghilangkan knocking pada enjin 190e sy ni....
im using the same engine.. and i also have the same problem.. tp bile engine dah panas... hilang bunyi knocking tu
Rkamarul
Posted on: 2012/1/27 11:05
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Re: memerlukan pertolonan,idea,pandangan dan cara menghilangkan knocking pada enjin 190e sy ni....
sonang jo jang tukar je cable plug skali dgn plug yor..cubo jgn tak cubo insyallah..
renngrun
Posted on: 2012/1/27 11:18
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Re: memerlukan pertolonan,idea,pandangan dan cara menghilangkan knocking pada enjin 190e sy ni....
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Rkamarul wrote:
sonang jo jang tukar je cable plug skali dgn plug yor..cubo jgn tak cubo insyallah..


^^^^ apa RKamarul cakap. Lepaih tuh...kome pi sesah keta tuh cukup2...guna 2nd gear and tarik sampai 4500rpm.....tahan samapai 1-2km...then lepas balik, masuk gear empat...and then slow and sentak balik gear dua tarik sampai 4500 and repeat dua tiga kali...

If masih ada knocking, that means your ignition timing is off. Too much retard. Also check your Air-to-fuel ratio....


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clarkson
Posted on: 2012/1/27 15:09
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Re: memerlukan pertolonan,idea,pandangan dan cara menghilangkan knocking pada enjin 190e sy ni....
tuko je keta
badrulh
Posted on: 2012/1/27 15:31
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Re: memerlukan pertolonan,idea,pandangan dan cara menghilangkan knocking pada enjin 190e sy ni....
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ayapin36 wrote:
... rimas ase nye nk bwk kete tu ... x tau dah mcm mne nak wat lg poning dah kpla ie ...

ayapin36,
jgn cepat mengalah..tu enjin basic ajer tuh..bkn enjin complicated mcm multivalve,v6,kompressor,cdi,cgi dan sebagai nya..kejap nanti ada la otai2 190E yg akan muncul mcm Mal,19Owner dll...kalu jual nanti kot nyosal tak sudah..benda simple aje..tp saje je kwn tu kena cerai talak 3..


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ayapin36
Posted on: 2012/1/28 1:43
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Benz Model: 190E
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Re: memerlukan pertolonan,idea,pandangan dan cara menghilangkan knocking pada enjin 190e sy ni....
time kasih kwn2 yg sudi membantu ..
ayapin36
Posted on: 2012/1/28 1:45
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Re: memerlukan pertolonan,idea,pandangan dan cara menghilangkan knocking pada enjin 190e sy ni....
dah cube dah tp x berjaya .... masih lg dok nyanyi lg enjin tu .. rpm 2-3 mmg kuat knocking lbih dri tu dah ilang dah
ayapin36
Posted on: 2012/1/28 1:48
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Re: memerlukan pertolonan,idea,pandangan dan cara menghilangkan knocking pada enjin 190e sy ni....
meletop enjin den kang ... kih kihh kih . hurmm distributer pun byak kali ejas klu retiad sngat mmg x de bunyi tp lembab cam kura2 pas tu minyak mentedarah kuat la... huhuuuu
190E
Posted on: 2012/1/28 14:41
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Re: memerlukan pertolonan,idea,pandangan dan cara menghilangkan knocking pada enjin 190e sy ni....
Cuba petrol dari steysen lain. Kalau selalu guna Petronas sekarang, tukar ke Shell atau Caltex.
renngrun
Posted on: 2012/1/28 14:56
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Re: memerlukan pertolonan,idea,pandangan dan cara menghilangkan knocking pada enjin 190e sy ni....
Adjust timing pun masih knocking gak?? Kome cuba check the tappets (not sure your car is running on hydraulic tappets etc..) but have a look at it.

Knocking means yer valves are hitting the piston crown. IF it is knocking...macam bunyi ting ting ting halus.... Kalau bunyi tuh kuat sangat...be careful, could be your big end bearings...and that is a real catastrophy.

Have the engine checked by another mechanic. Best kalau kome boleh cari Alfa Romeo or FIAT mechanics. From experience, Italian car mechanics are the best... And the 190E motor is such a simple OHC motor. Shouldn't be that complicated to diagnose. Tukar mechanic kome tuh....

Good Luck mate.



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gerardj
Posted on: 2012/1/28 15:02
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Re: memerlukan pertolonan,idea,pandangan dan cara menghilangkan knocking pada enjin 190e sy ni....
Quote:

renngrun wrote:
Best kalau kome boleh cari Alfa Romeo or FIAT mechanics. From experience, Italian car mechanics are the best...


Absolutely!
Even Karamjit Singh's mechanic is an established Alfa guy. Don't know his real name but we call he Cannon.


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renngrun
Posted on: 2012/1/28 15:33
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Re: memerlukan pertolonan,idea,pandangan dan cara menghilangkan knocking pada enjin 190e sy ni....
Quote:

gerardj wrote:
Quote:

renngrun wrote:
Best kalau kome boleh cari Alfa Romeo or FIAT mechanics. From experience, Italian car mechanics are the best...


Absolutely!
Even Karamjit Singh's mechanic is an established Alfa guy. Don't know his real name but we call he Cannon.


Cannon? Yup..he's good. Used to work for City Motors and branched out, together-gether with Yan and Yam. I sent my Alfetta Motronic to him once and he used to have one helluva Sprint (not sure what motor he put inside that 'thing'!) that can run rings around my GTV6. But all my alfas were done with Yan and his boys. One of their most neurotic customers but old man Yan loved me !!


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gerardj
Posted on: 2012/1/28 15:45
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Re: memerlukan pertolonan,idea,pandangan dan cara menghilangkan knocking pada enjin 190e sy ni....
Cannon now has his own place. My friends in the Alfa group usually hang out at his workshop to talk kunji and have a few brews.

My friend Tanendra (popularly known as T) races his GTV6 at Sepang every now and then with some success. His car is permanently parked at Cannon's place. I almost bought T's GTV2000 but was beaten to it by another buddy. Still can't forgive him for that! It is the finest example of a GTV200 around.


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renngrun
Posted on: 2012/1/28 15:55
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Re: memerlukan pertolonan,idea,pandangan dan cara menghilangkan knocking pada enjin 190e sy ni....
Quote:

gerardj wrote:
Cannon now has his own place. My friends in the Alfa group usually hang out at his workshop to talk kunji and have a few brews.

My friend Tanendra (popularly known as T) races his GTV6 at Sepang every now and then with some success. His car is permanently parked at Cannon's place. I almost bought T's GTV2000 but was beaten to it by another buddy. Still can't forgive him for that! It is the finest example of a GTV200 around.


What colour is Tanendra's car? Is it that Viper green thingy. That car, TK64 used to belong to Simon something. My car, WAN1625 (formerly brown met/same as the 007 car in Octopussy, then silver) was also sold to a Simon-named fella who proceeded to total the car at TTDI ! Got a Catholic Indian friend, an Alfisti who has WAR1625, formerly blue, now red.

If you wanna learn how to drive RWD cars...nothing...and I mean nothing can teach you as well as an Alfetta GTV6 2.5. Or get a Ford Escort Mexico(coke bottle with 2.0L BDA X-Flow)...Best handling RWD cars out there WITH soul....yeah baby...soul


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Mabel
Posted on: 2012/1/28 21:43
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Re: memerlukan pertolonan,idea,pandangan dan cara menghilangkan knocking pada enjin 190e sy ni....
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ayapin36 wrote:
mtk tlong pd smua rakan2 & otai2 yg ade kat mybenz nie .. enjin 190e 2.0 black top 8v sy ni suka ngat knocking byk dah cara ngejas nye dia tetap nak gak berbunyi ... rimas ase nye nk bwk kete tu ... x tau dah mcm mne nak wat lg poning dah kpla ie ...



Knocking (also called knock, detonation, spark knock, pinging or pinking) in spark-ignition internal combustion engines occurs when combustion of the air/fuel mixture in the cylinder starts off correctly in response to ignition by the spark plug, but one or more pockets of air/fuel mixture explode outside the envelope of the normal combustion front.
The fuel-air charge is meant to be ignited by the spark plug only, and at a precise time in the piston's stroke cycle. Knock occurs when the peak of the combustion process no longer occurs at the optimum moment for the four-stroke cycle. The shock wave creates the characteristic metallic "pinging" sound, and cylinder pressure increases dramatically. Effects of engine knocking range from inconsequential to completely destructive

If the knocking is due to pinking here is my remedy...

http://www.mybenz.org/zoopp/html/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&order=ASC&topic_id=7031&forum=13

If the knocking is due to semput semput, here is another remedy...

Why not consider Dr Gan recipe ...

Quote:

Gan wrote:

Tuning ... Basically ...is to bring
the Engine Performance ...
back to the M/Benz Standard

about the fuel CONSUMPTION .... related to UNDERPOWER ...

PLEASE CHECK the engine oil level condition ( do NOT overfilled )
because the EXTRA oil level may cause the engine to be underpowered
the 'crankshaft counter weight' may absorbs by the EXTRA Engine Oil
this can effect the engine performance ... slow down the engine turning ...



PLEASE CHECK the air filter condition (replace it when it clogged)
the dirty air filter ... may district the air (oxygen) flow
for the combustion
yet, insufficient air flow may result a HIGH CO%

it may damaged / shorter the SPARK PLUG lifespan
(please check the spark plug condition before carry out any adjustment)


please take note

always use a good Quality AIR FILTER ....
if possible ... go for ORIGINAL air Filter @ paper type

Do NOT try to be Smart ... apply the 'WIRE' type
the filter must be FINE .... as fine as possible
to filtering all kind of fine articles ....

if NOT ... hehe
all kind articles may flew into the Engine
to damaged the Cylinder wall as well as the Piston Rings
( end up ... what is the different ... you applying a 'fine sand paper' in the engine
to damaged the internal moving parts )

the owner is the one who paying for the COST ... pocket Koyak everything KOYAK !!!


PLEASE CHECK the Spark Plug Cable ... Distributor Cap ... and ... Rotor Arm ...
it May district the Current flow to the Spark Plug for Combustion ....
or cause Vibration Special When the Engine in COLD condition

PLEASE CHECK the FUEL System ....
the petrol Filter .... (same thing like the air filter)
The Petrol Need filter to Protect the Fuel injection Parts
like ... the Fuel divider ... the fuel injector ... etc


hope this helps ,


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Mabel
Posted on: 2012/1/28 21:46
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Re: memerlukan pertolonan,idea,pandangan dan cara menghilangkan knocking pada enjin 190e sy ni....
Here is another reference case...




This old engine head has worn compression rings. Hence, the piston head damage the cylinder walls. It also has defective cranksaft bearings.

His solution is to replace the engine.


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ayapin36
Posted on: 2012/2/1 0:13
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Re: memerlukan pertolonan,idea,pandangan dan cara menghilangkan knocking pada enjin 190e sy ni....
tq mabel ...
PY55
Posted on: 2012/2/1 10:18
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Re: memerlukan pertolonan,idea,pandangan dan cara menghilangkan knocking pada enjin 190e sy ni....
Quote:
mtk tlong pd smua rakan2 & otai2 yg ade kat mybenz nie .. enjin 190e 2.0 black top 8v sy ni suka ngat knocking byk dah cara ngejas nye dia tetap nak gak berbunyi ... rimas ase nye nk bwk kete tu ... x tau dah mcm mne nak wat lg poning dah kpla ie ..


10 tahun lepas masa saya guna model W115, pernah juga alami knocking sound macam tu. Ada sorang mechanic tu recommend saya guna oil treatment berjenama Stop Oil. Insha Allah bunyi tu hilang sekejap kemudian tu dia datang balik. Temporary measure boleh lah kot?
badrulh
Posted on: 2012/2/3 11:46
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Re: memerlukan pertolonan,idea,pandangan dan cara menghilangkan knocking pada enjin 190e sy ni....
Quote:

renngrun wrote:
Adjust timing pun masih knocking gak?? Kome cuba check the tappets (not sure your car is running on hydraulic tappets etc..) but have a look at it.




spt apa yg reengrun cakap tu betul..kalau dah adjust timing masih cam tu jugak,cuba check tappets dan 'hydarulic valve',bila benda ni jammed,enjin tu knocking mcm nak rak.Pernah tengok kes ni kat W124 230E kwn,bila nak speeding atau jln berbukit,enjin knocking dan tak de power,tekan minyak cam mana pun enjin tak nak pergi.Last2 top overhaule,hydraulic valve sudah jamm..lepas tu prob settle ,tak de lg bunyi bunyian tu..
..semoga berjaya..


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