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Mabel
Posted on: 2011/10/5 21:49
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Re: Meet the world's Fastest W124; Brabus EV12 7.3
Noted...and very good information indeed...

Thank you!


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renngrun
Posted on: 2011/10/5 22:05
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Re: Meet the world's Fastest W124; Brabus EV12 7.3
Mabel,

The wheels are 18"s....

Clarkson,
The bigger the engine displacement, the more difficult to get to the magical 100bhp/litre mark.....
Horacio Pagani used the same V12 MBZ motor for his ultra expensive Zondas.....Pagani purchased the 'engine-in-white' from MBZ and proceeded to do their tuning on it and the results are as follows :

Zonda C12. 6.0L MBZ V12. 520bhp
Zonda S. 7.3L MBZ V12. 550bhp (reflecting that Brabus ain't bad since the Brabus versh was waaay earlier in '91-92)
Zonda F. 7.3L MBZ V12. 602bhp.

Now, for some other V12 normally aspirated super-engines.

Ferrari F50. 4.7L V12. 580bhp
Ferrari F50GT 4.7L V12 800bhp
Ferrari Enzo 6.0L V12 660bhp
Ferrari FXX 6.0L V12 800bhp
Ferrari FXX Evo 6.0L V12 880bhp
Ferrari 599XX 6.0L V12 700bhp
Ferrari 599GTB 6.0L V12 630bhp
Ferrari 599GTO 6.0L V12 680bhp

Lamborghini Murcielago LP670SV. 6.5L V12. 665bhp
Lamborghini Aventador LP700. 6.5L V12. 697bhp.

McLaren F1 BMW6.1L V12 612bhp
McLaren GTR BMW6.1L V12 750bhp

As you can see, with the exception of the Ferrari 599GTB...and the two Lamborghinis all the cars that has stonking big V12s yet crosses the magic 100bhp/L cars are waaaay expensive supercars.

And er..Clarkson..yer right in one aspect...the MBZ motor can't seem to cross the 100bhp/Litre threshold and er...that's why Horacio Pagani resorted to twin turbochargers for his new Huayra (700bhp)......

And G...The Fiorano will never be called inefficient design. 100bhp/Lit from a stonking 12 cylinder is nothing to sneeze at. Just like a 250GTO, V12 3000cc and 300bhp...in 1963!!!

Sorry Mercedes Benz..I tried my best to defend lah...but aisayman......facts speak for itself....


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Mabel
Posted on: 2011/10/5 22:10
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Re: Meet the world's Fastest W124; Brabus EV12 7.3
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renngrun wrote:
Mabel,

The wheels are 18"s....

Sorry Mercedes Benz..I tried my best to defend lah...but aisayman......facts speak for itself....



Thank you!

On your last point, no worries...the F1 result speaks for itself..


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renngrun
Posted on: 2011/10/5 22:15
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Re: Meet the world's Fastest W124; Brabus EV12 7.3
Mabel,

The only F1 team that builds its own engine in-house are Ferrari and the current Mercedes Benz Petronas team (not doing so good...engine ain't competitive enough)

The previous McLaren-MBZ effort during Raikonnen/Hakkinen/Coulthard days are Made in England. McLaren Tech Centre UK.

BMWs race engines during the Montoya days were also Made in England at the BMW F1 Motorsport centre in UK.

Renaultsport F1 effort is also based in the UK.

Contrary to what many people may think...UK is the Nerve Centre for ALL things F1 since almost ALL the F1 component top suppliers are based in the UK.


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Mabel
Posted on: 2011/10/5 22:19
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Re: Meet the world's Fastest W124; Brabus EV12 7.3
Quote:

renngrun wrote:
Mabel,

The only F1 team that builds its own engine in-house are Ferrari and the current Mercedes Benz Petronas team (not doing so good...engine ain't competitive enough)

The previous McLaren-MBZ effort during Raikonnen/Hakkinen/Coulthard days are Made in England. McLaren Tech Centre UK.

BMWs race engines during the Montoya days were also Made in England at the BMW F1 Motorsport centre in UK.

Renaultsport F1 effort is also based in the UK.

Contrary to what many people may think...UK is the Nerve Centre for ALL things F1 since almost ALL the F1 component top suppliers are based in the UK.



Aiyaa...



Noted and thank you!


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gerardj
Posted on: 2011/10/5 22:26
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Re: Meet the world's Fastest W124; Brabus EV12 7.3
RG, while I agree with you that the Merc F1 engine was not built in house, it actually beats the others in output. The only reason the bulls are doing so well is their superior aero package.

The Renault engine is actually down on power compared to Merc and Ferrari.


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renngrun
Posted on: 2011/10/5 22:35
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Re: Meet the world's Fastest W124; Brabus EV12 7.3
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gerardj wrote:
RG, while I agree with you that the Merc F1 engine was not built in house, it actually beats the others in output. The only reason the bulls are doing so well is their superior aero package.

The Renault engine is actually down on power compared to Merc and Ferrari.


G,

Tru dat on paper...but from my Fcar/Pcar F1 nutcase buddies, the engines are not allowed to run full potential due to er...lack of confidence??? As you know, the car's output is controlled via telemetry from the pits under Race Director's orders.

Renault's engine is akin to that of Fcar's F2002 engine (best engine ever, reliable and big power)and can run full power from start to finish.

These engines are bespoke and sometimes you get 'em right and at times...you just don't.......That's what F1's all about..pinnacle of engineering actually...

And yes, the Bulls' aero package is superior. And to be honest, like him or not..Vettel is one kewl fella.


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gerardj
Posted on: 2011/10/5 22:38
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Re: Meet the world's Fastest W124; Brabus EV12 7.3
Agreed on all points.

And yes, Seb is a cool cat.


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19owner
Posted on: 2011/10/5 22:41
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From: Kuala Lumpur
Posts: 4847
Benz Model: W201 and Others
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Re: Meet the world's Fastest W124; Brabus EV12 7.3
Quote:

fardell wrote:


Mean monstrous W124. The Brabus EV12 7.3

Capacity: 7.3 liter V12
Acceleration: 0-100 ---> 4.5 S
0-200 ---> 15.7 S
Horsepower @ Torque: 523 bhp @ 755 Nm
Top Speed: 307 km/h



for a w124, it's a monster...mesti susah mau maintain keta camtu di malaysia, mesti mahal oooo...mekanik also sure hard to find...

no wonder.
renngrun
Posted on: 2011/10/5 22:42
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Re: Meet the world's Fastest W124; Brabus EV12 7.3
Seb's kewl..but tbh..I hardly watch F1 anymore. I'm a sore loser anyways .....and heart wrenching when the reds don't win.


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